Quincenera Questions.

Wow, she should be honored to have you as a boyfriend!

Are you going as an invitee or as her main escort? Either way, there isn`t much that you need to do except being her partner, walking her in at the reception and dancing with her, etc...

Naaa I wouldn`t say she is honored.......I am the lucky one. But as for the oher thing, I am not sure. They just very recently told me this. Her mom is going to call me with the details sometime soon. But I can`t exactly ask her mom these questions so i thank u for yor help.

It sounds like to me that you are going to be her main escort!

Good luck to both of you!

That would be great. But I will be happy no matter what part I play. Still, what kinds of gifts should I bring etc?

Just think of it as a 15th birthday party. That`s really all it is. You give her whatever you would under any other circumstances.

Hmmm then that is going to be hard.......She is so hard to buy for because she refuses to ask for presents. She won`t let me know things to get her. I always have to get her things like flowers and stuff. Oh well i`ll figure something out there.

You can never go wrong with a gift certificate from a department store, that way she can get what she wants.

Heh thats a really good idea. I just hope I do all this right. I mean everything. No matter what part I am to play. U know, it`s awesome to sit here and try and imagine that night. It seems so awesome and wonderful to think of her doing all that. And it`s such a memorable night she will never forget. And, I love how it`s her day to be treated like she is..the most beautiful, special girl in this world :D

All the best of luck to you. I`m currently planning my daughters 15th celebration for March 29, 2003. I wish she would be so lucky to find such a nice young man like yourself to be her escort. By the way, just curious as to how the 2 of you met being that you live in 2 different states??

To DeeDee: Well Ma`am we are both in something called the United States naval Sea Cadet Corps. And over a year ago we both met at a Recruit training in New Orleans Louisiana. We just kind clicked. We kept in touch and there was always just something about it that seemed so right.................

To Helpful: hey. I appreciate your concern. It`s like I said originally..I had no intentions of going to her Quince. I was asked to come. Therefore the whole "going to watch her" thing is simply not true. You see, at this distance, you learn to have the utmost trust and faith in the other person. If you don`t it wouldn`t work. I wasn`t going to go or the simple reason I feared THEY would think that is what i was doing....thankfully they know me well enough. As for our age differences........She looks much older than 14 and to even begin telling you how much more mature she is than the average 14 year old would take forever...She has been through much in her life so please don`t get the misconception that she is just beginning to see this world as a child. She grew up a long time ago.........her parents know me well enough to know i would never hurt her or them. I love her and her family. Her parents are great people so please don`t jump to thinking any different just because of how things may appear........if I am to have no part, so be it. But if i am, i will do my best. And I IN NO WAY wish to destroy tradition. But I also know people are all different.............I respect you and your husbands opinions..but, i care nothing of age. I cannot help who i love. Love is not a thing to be made. It is something to be found and i cannot begin to tell you how much i love her...........

Cylene: heh thanks. I`d be mad too but see, i can see how my relationship would look to someone on the outside. Theres no way she could know what me and Christina have.......all she sees is some 17 year old punk who is too old for a little girl......it`s not true, but it is her opinion. But yea, i do respect her. And i love her more than anything and I always will...no matter who says what and no matter what happens......

Joseph:

Yes, you like Cylene can not appreciate the concerns parents have today. But one day you will be a parent and when you have a daughter then you will look back and see that no matter how life can be your child will alway be your child and because as a parent you will see that you want your child not to be in such a rush in growing up.

I am very curious, in your last message you stated that you have known Christina more than a year ago, which would have made her 13 years old. Please tell me how you can justify that she is not a child?

But let me tell you, because Christina has had a rough life it does not necessarily makes a person mature. There are many people out there well over 20 years and still have a lot of growing up to do and thriving too. But let me ask you "Aren`t you in the military to make a responsible, dedicated man out of yourself? And wouldn`t that not take a couple of years? Just as much time as you will need to be a responsible and maybe oneday a dedicated family man, doesnt` Chrisina not deserve that time to grow, mature, accomplish and succeed in her world into a young lady? I hope you are not putting any type of pressure on this girl. Vulnerability, is not a reason to be in a relationship. As an adult, being in a relationship can be rough and takes a toll. And as you said Christina has already has had a rough life. Why would you make this child go through more than she needs too, if you say you love her?

She needs love from her family, she needs direction and guidance that a family can give her. My opinion is, you can take or leave it, "If it is True Love it will Never Die and if it is Right it will Always Be.

I would be very concerned if he was 18 or 19 now, but he`s not! He just turned 17 and stated that this girls Quinceanera is in a few months, which makes him 2 years older than she is! If her parents were so concerned they would have never invited him, let alone mention it to him at all.

As far as my daughter goes, that`s none of your concern. My decisions regarding her depend on her maturty/responsibility, but that`s none of your business either. You don`t know me and/or the people you so badly put down in these discussions.

What makes you think your daughter doesn`t have friends over the age of 14? Do you know what your child is doing? Worry about your own family and keep your negative opions to yourself!

Hell. Itis very late here and I must go o bed for schol.but tomorrow I shall reply to this. Sweet dreams everyone.

Hell. Itis very late here and I must go o bed for schol.but tomorrow I shall reply to this. Sweet dreams everyone.

Hello*. It is very late here and I must go to bed for school.but tomorrow I shall reply to this. Sweet dreams everyone.

I apologize for those past entries. My comp went slow and I hit the send button 3 times.
Well anyways, sorry for the wait. Here is my reply.

Helpful: yes I can see as a parent how this whole thing would look. Or from an outsiders POV. But Ma’am, with all due respect, you do not know me. Nor do you understand the situation. When I met Christina I had just turned 16. She was almost 14..Iam barely 2 years older than she is..Think of it this way, a Junior in High School dating a Freshman…that is highly common. We are both High School students and our future is close.

Going through tough times doesn’t mature a person faster????? I beg to differ with you on that. Those that have walked the hardest roads have a better understanding of life. A life that is unsheltered and rough.. You don’t know her, therefore you couldn’t possibly understand. I speak to her and feel as if I’m talking to another 17 year old. She has been around older cousins her whole life and has grown up with the older crowd. At heart of course she is still a young girl..but I am still a young boy at heart.

Ma’am I am not in the military now. I am in a Cadet Corps…As is she. I am still deciding my future. I am going to college definitely. I am perhaps going to try for a commission in the United States Marine Corps….. Enlisted men start with pay enough to drive a used car. Officers start out with pay to drive a Mercedes so support wouldn’t be a problem. Plenty of benefits and things of that nature. And I could retire early with officer pay and skills from my job and college to run on..

“Doesnt` Chrisina not deserve that time to grow, mature, accomplish and succeed in her world into a young lady? I hope you are not putting any type of pressure on this girl. Vulnerability, is not a reason to be in a relationship”

I am in NO WAY stopping that. How could I be from this distance? You make it sound as if I am in her face everyday telling her how things should be. Ma’am I do nothing but try and help her. I support any thing she wishes to do 100%. It’s like I told you, this kind of relationship is so much more different. Trust is a thing we both have fully for each other as we clearly must. We love each other more than anything and only wish the happiness of the other. She is not vulnerable….She has been hurt by people before. She knows what to look out for. You must be thinking of her as a little child never hurt before or dated before……it is not so. Some people mature faster and are able for relationships more. She knows I love her more than anything..It is not I who made this relationship grow to what it is but it was BOTH OF US.

Her parents know me well. They have never seen their daughter this happy or so they tell me. In her hard life there weren’t many happy things….In a way, we both saved each other in different ways. I will not discuss that with you but it is one more example. Her family does guide her and teach her. She has so much respect for her parents it isn’t even funny. See? There are many things about this you simply do not know or understand. I promise you this is a very different thing from most. You cannot judge unless you first know about it. It would be impossible for you to. That is the only reason I do not take offense to what you say to me.

However, when you speak to DeeDee like that I do take offense..and I take it when u speak of Christina’s parents as if they do not know what they are doing. DeeDee is apparently an EXTREMELY good mother with a very good head on her shoulders. The fact that she recognizes this one fact : Age makes no serious difference when it is this close. What matters is the maturity and responsibility levels of the two individuals of concern. Don’t you see? You cannot state something about a thing which you do not understand. But honestly, what her children are like and what they do are of no one else’s concern. My personal opinion is she is a great woman and a great mother from what I can tell.

So, I just wish that you could understand this thing. You seem to think I am just the bad guy here…Ma’am it isn’t like that. I love her and her fmily and they know this. We all know each other……so don’t think I’m just some guy taking adantage of a younger girl..I would die for ever even considering that…………

DeeDee: hey. Ma’am is there any way I could possibly contact you through e-mail ever?

I apologize for those past entries. My comp went slow and I hit the send button 3 times.
Well anyways, sorry for the wait. Here is my reply.

Helpful: yes I can see as a parent how this whole thing would look. Or from an outsiders POV. But Ma’am, with all due respect, you do not know me. Nor do you understand the situation. When I met Christina I had just turned 16. She was almost 14..Iam barely 2 years older than she is..Think of it this way, a Junior in High School dating a Freshman…that is highly common. We are both High School students and our future is close.

Going through tough times doesn’t mature a person faster????? I beg to differ with you on that. Those that have walked the hardest roads have a better understanding of life. A life that is unsheltered and rough.. You don’t know her, therefore you couldn’t possibly understand. I speak to her and feel as if I’m talking to another 17 year old. She has been around older cousins her whole life and has grown up with the older crowd. At heart of course she is still a young girl..but I am still a young boy at heart.

Ma’am I am not in the military now. I am in a Cadet Corps…As is she. I am still deciding my future. I am going to college definitely. I am perhaps going to try for a commission in the United States Marine Corps….. Enlisted men start with pay enough to drive a used car. Officers start out with pay to drive a Mercedes so support wouldn’t be a problem. Plenty of benefits and things of that nature. And I could retire early with officer pay and skills from my job and college to run on..

“Doesnt` Chrisina not deserve that time to grow, mature, accomplish and succeed in her world into a young lady? I hope you are not putting any type of pressure on this girl. Vulnerability, is not a reason to be in a relationship”

I am in NO WAY stopping that. How could I be from this distance? You make it sound as if I am in her face everyday telling her how things should be. Ma’am I do nothing but try and help her. I support any thing she wishes to do 100%. It’s like I told you, this kind of relationship is so much more different. Trust is a thing we both have fully for each other as we clearly must. We love each other more than anything and only wish the happiness of the other. She is not vulnerable….She has been hurt by people before. She knows what to look out for. You must be thinking of her as a little child never hurt before or dated before……it is not so. Some people mature faster and are able for relationships more. She knows I love her more than anything..It is not I who made this relationship grow to what it is but it was BOTH OF US.

Her parents know me well. They have never seen their daughter this happy or so they tell me. In her hard life there weren’t many happy things….In a way, we both saved each other in different ways. I will not discuss that with you but it is one more example. Her family does guide her and teach her. She has so much respect for her parents it isn’t even funny. See? There are many things about this you simply do not know or understand. I promise you this is a very different thing from most. You cannot judge unless you first know about it. It would be impossible for you to. That is the only reason I do not take offense to what you say to me.

However, when you speak to DeeDee like that I do take offense..and I take it when u speak of Christina’s parents as if they do not know what they are doing. DeeDee is apparently an EXTREMELY good mother with a very good head on her shoulders. The fact that she recognizes this one fact : Age makes no serious difference when it is this close. What matters is the maturity and responsibility levels of the two individuals of concern. Don’t you see? You cannot state something about a thing which you do not understand. But honestly, what her children are like and what they do are of no one else’s concern. My personal opinion is she is a great woman and a great mother from what I can tell.

So, I just wish that you could understand this thing. You seem to think I am just the bad guy here…Ma’am it isn’t like that. I love her and her fmily and they know this. We all know each other……so don’t think I’m just some guy taking adantage of a younger girl..I would die for ever even considering that…………

DeeDee: hey. Ma’am is there any way I could possibly contact you through e-mail ever?

Very well stated.

My suggestion to you at this point, is not to bother explaining yourself any longer to a total stranger. It`s not worth your time.

Sure, you can email me anytime you would like to seek my advice, it would be my pleasure: dianamira@yahoo.com

Talk to you soon!

You are very right Ma`am. It`s just funny to me that in over a year, that is the first person to ever tell me all of that. I guess it is because most people around here can see what we have...and then smart people like you can tell already heh. Well either way, i still leave this forum open to anyone with ideas such as gift ideas etc...Thanks again DeeDee.

Hey Joseph, it would be nice to have a boyfriend like you. I`m 14 and my Quinceanera is october but anyways.....I have a suggestion ( if your money allows) You should give her a ring with her birthstone and a 15...that`s really nice and inside the ring you could put something like "I`ll love you forever"or simply "I love you" she`ll probably be really happy and it;`s going to be a gift that she`ll never forget.Tell me if you liked the idea.

Hey there. Naaa Cylene there are plenty better guys out there. October huh? Sweet. You will have to tell me about it sometime. I am anxious to hear about it from the Girl herself right after it. But anyways, ya that is an excellent idea.. Money shouldn`t be a problem. I gotta spend enough so I still can buy the plane tickets to visit her cuz ima visit her during Christmas break (once agin the idea of her parents) also. But hey I gotta job so that should work out. Thank u so much for the idea. I will check wih her Aunt and parents to see if they might be having the same idea. Do you know where I might find any rings like this? Or should I prolly just have it custom made? Well thanks again!

Yeah, you can just have it custom made...anyways i can`t talk right now, i`ll c ya later then.

Alright. Ima have to check around here to find some places that do custom jewlery. Wonder what it should be like.....gold, silver, shape etc. What would you like if it were you? well anyways, talk to u when you can talk heh.

There are a lot of department stores that carry rings with ones birth stone. Try Sears, Mervyns, Robinson`s May and Macy`s. Then you can take it somewhere else to have it engraved.

YEAH, YOU COULD DO THAT.....ALSO...YOU SHOULD ASK HER AUNTS TO SEE WHAT SHE LIKES BETTER...SILVER..GOLD...SO ANYWAYS MAKE SURE TO GET HER SOME OF HER FAVORITE CHOCOLATES AND SOME ROSES!!!!!

YEAH, YOU COULD DO THAT.....ALSO...YOU SHOULD ASK HER AUNTS TO SEE WHAT SHE LIKES BETTER...SILVER..GOLD...SO ANYWAYS MAKE SURE TO GET HER SOME OF HER FAVORITE CHOCOLATES AND SOME ROSES!!!!!

K. Pretty much what i`ll do is go to the mall and go to one of those places. I`ll have 15 on it somewhere. I believe she likes gold but I will make sure. Oh and about the roses, that is definitely taken care of. :D ima have her Aunt take me to get them when I get there and since the day will prolly have her a bit stressed cuz o getting ready for it, I figure it would be a nice suprise to find a boquet of flowers waiting for he. *thinks about this*.........

JOSEPH:

OF COURSE YOU ARE SO AGREEABLE WITH SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH YOU, BUT FOR ALL WE KNOW YOU COULD BE TELLING STORIES ABOUT MOM AND DAD BEING SO ENCOURAGING YOU BEING PART OF THE FAMILY. IF SUCH PARENT EXIST THEN WHY DID THIS CHILD HAVE SUCH A ROUGH LIFE. LET ME SEE WHAT DID YOU SAY "She has been hurt by people before. She knows what to look out for. You must be thinking of her as a little child never hurt before or dated before……it is not so." YOU SAID YOU MET HER MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, THAT MAKES HER 13 YEARS OLD. WHEN DID SHE HAVE TIME TO DATE AND MUCH LESS BE HURT. THIS SOUND SO MADE UP.

BUT, LET ME TELL YOU I AM A MOTHER AND AN HISPANIC MOTHER AND HISPANIC MOTHER RAISED IN MEXICO AND I RAISED MY CHILDREN HERE IN THE STATES. I GET SO TIRED OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN BEING OUT OF CONTROL WHEN WE PARENTS PERMIT THESE CHILDREN TO BE OUT OF CONTROL. WE AS ADULTS CAN NOT EVEN COPE WITH MANY THINGS IN LIFE, YET 17 YEARS ALREADY KNOW IT ALL. I GUESS AT 17 I HAD ALOT GROWING UP TO DO, RATHER WANTING TO FALL IN LOVE AND LOOKING TO TAKE CARE OF SOMEONE ELSE. BELIEVE ME YOU WILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR ALL OF THAT DRAMA AND IT AIN`T EASY.

READING YOUR MESSAGE APPARENTLY DEEDEE MUST BE RELATED SINCE YOU KNOW SHE IS AN EXTREMELY GOOD MOTHER AND SHE GAVE YOU GOOD ADVICE THAT YOU SHOULDN`T LISTEN TO STRANGERS. I DIDN`T KNOW THAT THIS MESSAGE BOARD WAS FOR RELATIVES AND LONG MUTUAL FRIENDS.

MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO READ YOU MESSAGES, MAYBE YOU CAN READ BETWEEN THE LINES. THIS IS ALL ABOUT YOU.

YOU DON`T HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME NOR TAKE OFFENSE. MOST KIDS DON`T WANT TO LISTEN IF IT IS NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR. YOU DO NOT NEED ADVICE IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE IN THE "RIGHT" OR BETTER YET TO JUSTIFY WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

AND HOGWASH, IF YOU READ YOUR MESSAGES AGAIN SHE WAS THIRTEEN. AND WHEN WAS SHE IN OTHER HURTFUL RELATIONSHIP? AT 11, 12 OR 13? IT MAKES ME WONDER WHY WOULD A CHILD OF 11, 12 OR 13 YEAR OLD HAVE ROUGH LIFE WITH AS YOU SAY "GOOD" PARENTS? AND WITH GOOD PARENT HOW COULD PARENTS PERMIT THIS TO HAPPEN TO HER? THE STORY DOES NOT MAKES SENSE.

OH WELL AS YOU SAID IT ISN`T ANYBODIES BUSINEESS BUT THERE IS NO CREDITABILITY IN YOUR LITTLE STORY.

AND MS. DEEDEE SWALLOWS ALL THIS - HUM? wHAT KIND OF ADVICE COULD SHE POSSIBLY GIVE. AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IF ONE DAY SHE DID NOT AGREE WITH YOU?

All I can say is hahahahaha. I feel so sorry for you. I have been polite to you and listened to you telling me how wrong i have been and how she don`t love me, and that how could she have a bf at 12 and 13. Alot can happen i a year. Those she had i that small period took advantage of her, some even hit her. Her father never liked any of them......... And i said nothing to retaliate agains`t you other than "you can`t speak of that which you do not know.". But the most rediculous thing you said was that I made all of this up. Sure, i came on party pop.com to make up a story such as this for no reason at all for a fake quincenera...Come on now. Be a little more realistic. I made up her parets liking of me? if I trusted you, i would GIVE you their number and let you ask them yourself. I could care less personally whether you believe me or not. But i ask you to not say that this is all about me......Listen, everything i do, i do for her. I help her all i can. She is my all...............i can`t expect you to undersand that. What drama? we never have had drama. This summer sh cried in my arms telling me ho happy she was....so i don`t think it;s just m..O WAIT!!!! THE MOST REDICULOUS thing you said was, lol, that me and DeeDee are related or good friends. How farfetched can you get?! she is someone i would be friends with but i have only known he for about a week now.prett ymuch since i have had the "pleasure" of meeting you..............I always wondered why so many people on this site feel as they do about you.....but now i see. And no not only CYLENE. She is just one of the more, uh, outspoken ones. I feel rather silly for even sitting here trying to explain myself to you.....And yes, i do request people telling me ideas and stuff....Well hey, if you enjoy telling me that i am just a lying 17 year old related or friends with DeeDee and conspiring with CYLENE, go right ahead.. It sounds good for a story or sumthin don`t it? but come on...please, join reality........Now for one last thing...tell me this .....Do you HONESTLY believe a word of what you just wrote? or are you just trying to mess with me? I have wrote enough as it is......so i draw this message to a close. And if you careto debate futher, please,PLEASE, say something that makes sense......

Joseph:

First of all I never said you made it up, second I did not say you were wrong. I made these comments, because you asked and opened the discussion. I simply don`t get it, if the story was about a 25 year old young man and a 23 young lady it would be believable. But let me ask, "you said her past boyfriends beat her up?". How old were these boyfriends? 11? 12? 13? 14?

I said you "MUST" be related or best friends because she had advised you not to listen to strangers. I did not say you WERE. Do you not get it. Maybe, you will understand this. If you are not long close friend or related. Then, how could you know what a GOOD mother she is? And How could she give you advise not to talk to strangers when she in fact is a stranger too?

I am not accusing you of anything, but what bothers me is the conatation of your story, then to top it off a MOTHER like Ms. DeeDee giving advise what you should do and wishing her 14 year old daughter to have someone like you as a boyfriend just "erks" me.

I don`t think you understand what parents today are going through. We parents that want more for our children than a husband and unwanted children. I am espeically talking about the Latin Community that society already is against us. It`s not to say that there are not any good children and parents with goals and ambition but they are far and few. I have problems knowing that children like your Cristina exist, that have been beaten by a man at such a young age that has to seek refuge from her rough like, that had as you say "mature" early because of her bumpy roads.

I take offense that a Quinceanera is one of the things that we Hispanics can hold on to as a familty event. Not only is it a religous celebration for the child and for the parents but a happy and sad realization that as a mother we have to let our babies out into the cruel cold world. I take offense that people like Ms.DeeDee and Miss Cylene make it as if it were an engagement party or something stupid. I wish they would not call it a "Quinceanera" they ought to call what it is, Just a Party. Cylene just wants someone else to fit the bill and nothing more than that.

You don`t need to feel sorry for me because I have already have gone through a my Quince, my college gradation, my Marriage, my career as an atorney, a few births, family deaths, my children communinion, confirmations, ballet recital, my childrens teenage crisis, high shool graduation and college graduations. This wasn`t not to show off but to let you know that I do not need your pity. But, I do feel pity for you that someone like DeeDee has such an influence over a young man like yourself just because she agrees with you.

I honesty don`t think you are enitrely that ignorant that I am wrong in what I say. I am realistic, but as I said before it is all about "YOU". You just need justification and I think you need to be realistice when things do go wrong, do you think A DeeDee and A Cylene will be there. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR YOUR FRIENDSHIP NOR FOR YOUR YOU TO AGREE. JUST FYI

GOOD LUCK !

I will tell you well said. It`s just wrong in a few crucial parts. You are very correct About parents today going through so much. I can see and perfectly understand that. But listen please. I am going to break this down and make my point and story very simple. I love a girl who is 2 years younger than myself. When she was 12 and 13, yea she had bad boyfriends.. Wanna-be-thugs or something. See? That is one thing that makes you parents job so hard. The fact that there ARE children like this. It is a sad fact once unbelievable but it’s happening now. I promise you I hate that. But see this also……..It is a quincenera. It is a religious vow, etc. Remember I stated long ago that I would do nothing more than asked while there. If standing and witnessing this beautiful event is all I can do then hey, I am PERFECTLY happy with this. No one wishes to turn this into any romantic thing. But see? I love her, and I want to do the right thing while there. It’s not that I want to be there for her romantically during all this. Your not understanding that fact. This is not about me. If you can give me good reason why it is, fine. So that said, on to DeeDee. She didn’t say don’t talk to strangers…She said don’t bother explaining myself to a stranger who does nothing than try and discourage me. See? She isn’t brainwashing me or anything. She is trying to help me. She never told me if I was right or wrong, only what I should do. Let me also say this… I DID NOT COME ON HERE TO DEBATE WHETHER I SHOULD BE WITH HER OR NOT OR HOW BELIEVABLE MY STORY IS. I CAME TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE QUINCENERA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now I can’t not say this by the way…. Your achievements are very outstanding and I highly respect you in those areas for them. It’s very impressive. But on this subject…no. I am not wrong or right. I am not disagreeing because I think I am wrong or right. I am just saying the facts of my stuff. You are the one trying to disprove etc….. Well, that’s all for now….

OK "helpful," this is becoming very ridiculous.

1) You need to refer back to your first paragraph where in fact you told Joseph "this sounds made up."

2) Just because one has good parents does not mean your kids will be protected against everything that this cruel world throws at them. If you believe this, you really are living in a fantasy world. Wake up and smell the coffee!

4) I did not tell him to stop talking to strangers. I suggested to him to not waste his time explaining himself to a total stranger, that it wasn`t worth it. Get your stories straight!

3) Nobody every said that this Quinceanera was all about romance. That was something you totally made up!

4) I`ve never met Joseph in my life. You really need some serious help.

5) I find it very hard to beleive that you are an attorney when you don`t even know how to spell it correctly, let a lone all the other misspelled words you write.

6) I`m with Joseph, I couldn`t figure out why people kept bashing you either until I kept reading your stupid comments/responses/advice (not advise)!

Get a life! You must be really bored when all you do is argue with these kids!

DeeDee

You must be bored responding to my messages. And I guess you are looking for a life, since you gave your email address to Joseph to guide him.

I don`t get your insults. Why are you so ANGRY? I am only forming an opinion, and this is America and I have the freedom to do so. I am not hurt by the bashing, though it makes you a bit immature.

Joseph asked what was his part in the quince and I gave him my opinion. And if he and you did not like my opinion you didn`t have to bother. Then on top of all that Joseph proceeded to tell us more about his dramatic and romantic story and how proud he was of her. Why would he be proud of her, she is only turning fifteen and he has nothing to do with that.

No, I don`t claim to know you but when you wished a 17 year old to be an escort for your 14 year old daughter that sound a bit MUCH. And when you stated "Wow, she should be honored to have you as a boyfriend!" I just could not believe the encouragement you gave him and not even thinking about what if it were your daughter. But then you proceeded to say you wished she had an escort like him for your daughter. Don`t you honestly think that you came accross a bit slutish?

You won`t and will not scare me off. If I have something to say no matter how insulting and vulgar you can get I will say what I think is right.

Oh by the way my last message was quit lengthy to Joseph and I must have been getting tired that I misspelled attorney. I am so sorry I will try not to let that happen again. Oh by the way, I usually have a secretary to catch those types of mistakes. But thank you.

*Yawns quietly*. Heh don`t u all think this is getting a bit....annoying? I mean honestly. Ok in an attempt to stop this I will say this. I never got vulgar with you. K? Now listen to this also: yes, you gave me your opinion on what I should do. And I thank you for it. But I didn`t have to hear the other stuff. If I had, I would have posted a message titled "Should i be with Christina?". So that was unnecessary. And your right. I did go off on my story. But i`m sorry, I`m just really happy. I realize not many care, but it`s hard not to talk about it heh. So I apologize that. But at least now you know where i am coming from.........We are too alike when it comes to one thing. We both like to argue.only difference is you are paid to do it........But look..I just want advice on the Quincenera, what i should do. AndI have your opinion. Hmm well, hopefully this arguing can stop sometime and get back to my original topic.........................

Well I think that if you really love her like you mention before therefor you should go. This is the most important day for her and I personally think that you sould be pressent on her birthday.

P.S. Good luck on what ever desicion you make.

Hey there. Well Norma, I actually did go..... And it truly was a wonderful day. It was held in Nuevo Loredo Mexico...... It was something so very wonderful.. I got to be her chambalagne (incorrect spelling?) and escorted her all around all day... Then there was a carriage ride through the streets to the church and everything... It was really great. But yea, it was well worth it...

I think you should be there and I also think that you should have been her escort. These days quinceaneras are becoming more popular and no matter what your race is, you both should be sharing this special event especially if her family asked you to attend. Is really nothing to it, is just like a wedding.

Does anyone know a web site about quinceanera hairstyles