Mori Lee Catalog/Contacts?
I recently tried on a Mori Lee dress, strapless, size 16, white, with gatherings/folds in the middle and can`t find it anywhere online, including the Mori Lee website. Does anyone know how to find this dress? I called the bridal shop for the #, but they gave me THEIR # and said they can`t give me the dress Mori Lee gave it for some dumb reason. (Probably so I couldn`t find it anywhere else!) Does Mori Lee have a catalog, or any way to contact them???? Trust me, I`ve looked EVERYWHERE online and can`t find anything...wedding is in a few months and don`t want to/can`t pay the salon price. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Liz W.; updated 06/19/04
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Mori Lee does have a line of gowns call "Blu" that is not on their website or advertised or in their catalog. SO if is one of these it wll be hard to find it without the real Mori Lee style #.
As far as this store, they obviously are hiding something. They do not want you to shop around to find the very best rpice and service just as you woul dby anything else. It is against federal law to remove ANY tags from a wedding garment so if they did that, tell them this and see how fast they come around!!
As far as this store, they obviously are hiding something. They do not want you to shop around to find the very best rpice and service just as you woul dby anything else. It is against federal law to remove ANY tags from a wedding garment so if they did that, tell them this and see how fast they come around!!
Posted by June; updated 06/20/04
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What they did is against the law. It is against the law to remove manufacturer tags, which include the designer and the style number, period. The reason they do this is simple. It gives you know opportunity to comparison shop, and it gives THEM the opportunity to inflate the price because you have no clue of the style number. I not only would report them to the BBB, I would also never go in there again, regardless of how much I liked the dress. Their practices are unethical and illegal and they want to do exactly what they`ve done to you, leave brides no choice but to purchase an over priced gown with no way to even prove it`s a Mori Lee. Shame on them. You can find an HONEST bridal shop and another beautiful gown elsewhere that is within your price range and has all the inside tags attached.
Posted by Tanya; updated 06/20/04
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People, it`s not illegal to remove the style numbers from dresses - please do not let people tell you this, they need to brush up on their laws, I am in fact an attorney and can tell you something about this. And there are fine lines to the laws with removing tags from dresses - some stores put in their own store tags - this is totally legal and it`s called private labeling - department stores like Cache do this, so why can`t bridal shops - Group USA does it. As for inflating prices, it`s a stores choice as to what they want the price to be. It costs every store "X" amount of dollars to run, so they have to make the money on their products to cover their expense which include employees wages for customer service.
If you choose to report a store like this to the BBB, please know that it is a lost cause as like I said, there are fine lines and they CAN, in fact, do this - it`s their store, their products - you`re only tarnishing their record, and remember what goes around, comes around. You can ask a store employee what the style number is, but more than likely they won`t know either as they are employees not owners, and the owners don`t have to give you that information either. Don`t cause problems in theses stores as all you`re going to do is take time and actual service away from those client`s that really want to buy their dresses from that store. It`s not fair that you are taking up a commission based employees time that could be making money on someone that is actually interested in buying. Then you wonder why you get bad service at a store - you`re taking advantage of hard working people. I hope you don`t find your dress.
If you choose to report a store like this to the BBB, please know that it is a lost cause as like I said, there are fine lines and they CAN, in fact, do this - it`s their store, their products - you`re only tarnishing their record, and remember what goes around, comes around. You can ask a store employee what the style number is, but more than likely they won`t know either as they are employees not owners, and the owners don`t have to give you that information either. Don`t cause problems in theses stores as all you`re going to do is take time and actual service away from those client`s that really want to buy their dresses from that store. It`s not fair that you are taking up a commission based employees time that could be making money on someone that is actually interested in buying. Then you wonder why you get bad service at a store - you`re taking advantage of hard working people. I hope you don`t find your dress.
Posted by Amanda; updated 06/21/04
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Did anyone consider why they are not online or advertised anywhere? Mori Lee doesn`t want their dresses sold online - period, DUH!!!! It`s not rocket science. They want their stores to be able to make money on their dresses, you could ONLY thank the internet for that!! Had there not been so many online stores, you`d be able to find this dress easliy. It`s Mori Lee that doesn`t want their dresses sold online once again, not as much the store - contact Mori Lee that`s exactly what they will tell you!!! That`s the idea!! They want to retain their name to be a reputable company and not some line that can be knocked off by any Joe that has an online store, that will try to see a copy as an orignial. Plus, if I know anything about Mori Lee, their dresses are inexpensive to begin with.
One more thing, if you know that it`s a Mori Lee, then why are you saying that you don`t know information on it, or that the company won`t give it to you. The tag had to have been in the dress already to know that info...again, it`s not rocket science. Who`s being deceptive, the store or the client...hmmmmm......
One more thing, if you know that it`s a Mori Lee, then why are you saying that you don`t know information on it, or that the company won`t give it to you. The tag had to have been in the dress already to know that info...again, it`s not rocket science. Who`s being deceptive, the store or the client...hmmmmm......
Posted by Allison; updated 06/21/04
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Amanda,
Being an attorney does not make you right. The law on this is crystal clear. The law on this states it is ILLEGAL to remove manufactuer tags. The style number is part of the manufacturer`s tag, and removing that IS illegal. Put it this way: removal of the style number by salons is NEVER to LOWER the price, it is to increase it and confuse the customer. Deception is unethical, and I would not deal with that bridal shop, period. The bride can find a beautiful gown elsewhere with honest salespeople. Would you buy a car that is supposed to be a Mercedes, but had no Mercedes emblem on it?
Being an attorney does not make you right. The law on this is crystal clear. The law on this states it is ILLEGAL to remove manufactuer tags. The style number is part of the manufacturer`s tag, and removing that IS illegal. Put it this way: removal of the style number by salons is NEVER to LOWER the price, it is to increase it and confuse the customer. Deception is unethical, and I would not deal with that bridal shop, period. The bride can find a beautiful gown elsewhere with honest salespeople. Would you buy a car that is supposed to be a Mercedes, but had no Mercedes emblem on it?
Posted by Shelley; updated 06/21/04
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Shelly,
When you buy a Mercedes it is specifically for the label - that is one of the things that makes it so expensive... Deception is unethical, however, don`t you think it`s decepetive of a client to try on a dress in a store only to buy it on the internet, after that store worked hard to help that client find the specific dress she liked and is now looking to get it off of the internet, in turn, maybe not getting an original? And once again, do you know anything about private labeling? You buy clothes everyday from private labelers, you only think you know who made it, and the store puts their numbers on the products as well - they are called UPC codes, codes that only the store can read and not the manufacturer. And - you fail to realize that this client knows exactly which designer she is looking for. If they give you a number at the store, and are able to get you that product with that number - they are not being deceptive by any means, they are not only protecting their business, as any business would - you would too, I`m sure, but they are keeping their store organized in order to service YOU better. Let`s not be naive!
When you buy a Mercedes it is specifically for the label - that is one of the things that makes it so expensive... Deception is unethical, however, don`t you think it`s decepetive of a client to try on a dress in a store only to buy it on the internet, after that store worked hard to help that client find the specific dress she liked and is now looking to get it off of the internet, in turn, maybe not getting an original? And once again, do you know anything about private labeling? You buy clothes everyday from private labelers, you only think you know who made it, and the store puts their numbers on the products as well - they are called UPC codes, codes that only the store can read and not the manufacturer. And - you fail to realize that this client knows exactly which designer she is looking for. If they give you a number at the store, and are able to get you that product with that number - they are not being deceptive by any means, they are not only protecting their business, as any business would - you would too, I`m sure, but they are keeping their store organized in order to service YOU better. Let`s not be naive!
Posted by Amanda; updated 06/21/04
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To Amanda, (The Attorney)
MAYBE you should brush up on your laws!!
Under the FTC, there is a rule that CAN fine manufactures and or retail stores $11,000 per violation.
The rule states:
*The idenity of any one business in the distribution channel, including:
*The manufacturer
*The manufacturer`s Registered Identifacation Number (RN), which is issued to companies in the US & registered by the FTC
*The retails stores name or RN: or
*The RN or business name of any company in the US directly involed in the distribution of the gown
*The label showing the name or RN may be sewn-in or attached as a hang tag. Either way it must be conspicuosly placed. AS far as style number, stores DO NOT have to use the real style numbers.
You can find this information at
Www.ftc.gov/conline/pubs/buspubs.wedgown.htm
As far as Mori Lee stopping the sale of their gowns on line, it will not happen. There are many sites selling this "Blu" or exclusive line on the internet. They do not use the caralog pictures or catalog style numbers so that they can not be caught by Mori Lee. And Mori Lee really doesnt care if they are sold online as long as they get paid for there gowns. Many designers like Maggie Sottero, Demetrios, Levkoff all state on their websites that there gowns are not suppose to be sold online but the do nothing about it becasue that are still getting paid whether they are sold in a retail store or online.
MAYBE you should brush up on your laws!!
Under the FTC, there is a rule that CAN fine manufactures and or retail stores $11,000 per violation.
The rule states:
*The idenity of any one business in the distribution channel, including:
*The manufacturer
*The manufacturer`s Registered Identifacation Number (RN), which is issued to companies in the US & registered by the FTC
*The retails stores name or RN: or
*The RN or business name of any company in the US directly involed in the distribution of the gown
*The label showing the name or RN may be sewn-in or attached as a hang tag. Either way it must be conspicuosly placed. AS far as style number, stores DO NOT have to use the real style numbers.
You can find this information at
Www.ftc.gov/conline/pubs/buspubs.wedgown.htm
As far as Mori Lee stopping the sale of their gowns on line, it will not happen. There are many sites selling this "Blu" or exclusive line on the internet. They do not use the caralog pictures or catalog style numbers so that they can not be caught by Mori Lee. And Mori Lee really doesnt care if they are sold online as long as they get paid for there gowns. Many designers like Maggie Sottero, Demetrios, Levkoff all state on their websites that there gowns are not suppose to be sold online but the do nothing about it becasue that are still getting paid whether they are sold in a retail store or online.
Posted by Nicole; updated 06/22/04
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Yes there are laws that state that there has to be a manufacturers tag in the garment, it even states that it has to have a tag with the composition percentage, however, does the law state bridal specifically? That law is meant for retail stores selling "ready-to-wear" clothing and accessories. As for the other designers you had mentioned, I don`t know much about them, I only know about the manufacturers that I deal with directly when it comes to some of the stores I represent. I will research them to help us all understand better. As for Mori Lee, Maggie Sottero and Watters and Watters, I have worked with them first hand, so I speak from experience, not from something that is simply listed on the internet.
If there are websites not using pictures of numbers on the internet selling Mori Lee, then how do you know that it`s a Mori Lee? That`s the same thing as purchasing from a store that didn`t have the label in it. They may private label the dresses, and tag them with their own style numbers, or they`re basically knocking them off. I contacted Mori Lee directly, and they faxed over a document to me that is a small contract that these stores have to sign, supposedly at time of purchasing their minimums. It clearly states that if they are caught selling these dresses online they will be stripped of the entire line they carry, and will have to pay for damages or lost wages by the company. It is also states that they have a MSRP they have to stick to as well, not allowing them to discount the dresses. I know that Watters and Watters literally strips their stores of the line if that store is caught selling any of their products online. This is why many clients end up not getting their dresses, or getting knock offs. If you want to buy online, go ahead, but with the way things are going with the manufacturers lately, I could see how clients think it`s always the retailers fault, and how many girls end up disappointed in the long run.
Look at House of Brides in Florida, and Illinois - they rip the tags out - they`ve been on the news for it, yet nothing has happened to them for it. Clients think they are smarter than these stores, however, they are not. You cannot force someone to do anything, it`s the power of having your own business, and they make mondo bucks!! And, they protect themselves from people that want to shop around, they retain their business by pulling the tags out of the dresses. I personally know that Eva`s Bridal in Illinois does the same thing, as I worked for them for 2 years before I went to law school. None of these stores even put in their private label, as it doesn`t matter - they still get you that product according to their style number, if that`s the dress that you`re specifically looking for. I`ll be honest with you, these stores prefer that those looking for huge deals on dresses that they have stock in quantity in order to supply the clients with a selection, just prefer that you really don`t even set foot into their store if yo uplan on buying online, because clients just waste the stores time and money. So if you want to be serviced, let the store service you, but don`t be forceful as to why you can`t take a picture, or why there are no style numbers, they want you to buy from them, not from someone else, I understand this, why can`t other clients?
If there are websites not using pictures of numbers on the internet selling Mori Lee, then how do you know that it`s a Mori Lee? That`s the same thing as purchasing from a store that didn`t have the label in it. They may private label the dresses, and tag them with their own style numbers, or they`re basically knocking them off. I contacted Mori Lee directly, and they faxed over a document to me that is a small contract that these stores have to sign, supposedly at time of purchasing their minimums. It clearly states that if they are caught selling these dresses online they will be stripped of the entire line they carry, and will have to pay for damages or lost wages by the company. It is also states that they have a MSRP they have to stick to as well, not allowing them to discount the dresses. I know that Watters and Watters literally strips their stores of the line if that store is caught selling any of their products online. This is why many clients end up not getting their dresses, or getting knock offs. If you want to buy online, go ahead, but with the way things are going with the manufacturers lately, I could see how clients think it`s always the retailers fault, and how many girls end up disappointed in the long run.
Look at House of Brides in Florida, and Illinois - they rip the tags out - they`ve been on the news for it, yet nothing has happened to them for it. Clients think they are smarter than these stores, however, they are not. You cannot force someone to do anything, it`s the power of having your own business, and they make mondo bucks!! And, they protect themselves from people that want to shop around, they retain their business by pulling the tags out of the dresses. I personally know that Eva`s Bridal in Illinois does the same thing, as I worked for them for 2 years before I went to law school. None of these stores even put in their private label, as it doesn`t matter - they still get you that product according to their style number, if that`s the dress that you`re specifically looking for. I`ll be honest with you, these stores prefer that those looking for huge deals on dresses that they have stock in quantity in order to supply the clients with a selection, just prefer that you really don`t even set foot into their store if yo uplan on buying online, because clients just waste the stores time and money. So if you want to be serviced, let the store service you, but don`t be forceful as to why you can`t take a picture, or why there are no style numbers, they want you to buy from them, not from someone else, I understand this, why can`t other clients?
Posted by Amanda; updated 06/22/04
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Nicole, I understand where you are coming from as an online store dealer, you have to defend your business. I do understand that some "look the other way", others don`t. Just as you are trying to help brides online, others try to in person. Doesn`t it suck when a brides emails you 30 times a day you answer all her questions, and then she goes elsewhere? It`s the same with bridal shops, they have to service the client, actually putting labor into it, spending hours at a time, only to go to an online store sometimes. That is what makes customer service crappy now-a-days. Some salespeople can sniff out a "shopper" from miles away, they`ve gotten good at it. I say - let the client do what they want, but they can`t expect "perfection" if they go the shaddy route.
Posted by Amanda; updated 06/22/04
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Try their number, backwards - some shops reverse the style number as a way to keep you from comparison shopping.
Worth a try.
Worth a try.
Posted by Nicole; updated 06/22/04
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I do not have an online store. I worked for a bridal shop for a family member and I know how the system works!
Posted by Nicole; updated 06/22/04
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Is your store even a store that should be selling through this website then? Are you listed?
Posted by Amanda; updated 06/22/04
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Shouldn`t you be using your vendor id # then? We all pay good bucks to be on this website and here you are trying to sell your dresses and Party Pop probably thinks that you`re a bride! Your postings should all be removed. I`m not trying to knock you, just understand where we (I) am coming from!
Posted by Alan; updated 06/23/04
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Alan (and others)
What are you talking about? I haven`t seen (the other) Nicole say she was a vendor of any kind...
I am also named Nicole and have a few dresses to sell, and I AM a bride - I happened to buy a few dresses at a shop`s going out of business sale, and I also found a new one for myself so am selling my Watters that I got straight from the manufacturer for my own wedding.
Are you confusing the two of us? Or am I missing something?
Nicole
Nragno at yahoo.com
What are you talking about? I haven`t seen (the other) Nicole say she was a vendor of any kind...
I am also named Nicole and have a few dresses to sell, and I AM a bride - I happened to buy a few dresses at a shop`s going out of business sale, and I also found a new one for myself so am selling my Watters that I got straight from the manufacturer for my own wedding.
Are you confusing the two of us? Or am I missing something?
Nicole
Nragno at yahoo.com
Posted by Nicole; updated 06/23/04
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Please read the above postings by "Nicole" she clearly states that she works for a bridal store, and she has clearly tried to sell dresses on this website to clients. Some of her postings have been removed by Party Pop. And if anyone is selling more than 1 bridal gown, that is new, then they are obviously making money, in turn making them a business. And businesses have to pay to sell dresses through this website, this is why we have vendor id numbers. HELLO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Edmond & Allie; updated 06/23/04
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No, "Nicole" above said she has worked - past tense - for a bridal shop so she knows how the system works.
And just because a bride might be selling more than one gown does not mean she is making money off them. I am offering my Watters at less than what I paid. I`m not sure who let you define "business," but I surely am not running one just because I have more than one gown to sell.
Nicole
And just because a bride might be selling more than one gown does not mean she is making money off them. I am offering my Watters at less than what I paid. I`m not sure who let you define "business," but I surely am not running one just because I have more than one gown to sell.
Nicole
Posted by Nicole; updated 06/23/04
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If you`re not running a business then what are you calling it? Why would you have more than 1 dress to sell? You mentioned that you bought them at a store that was closing, meaning they were less expensive, in turn you`re probably trying to make a few bucks off of them (profit), what other reasoning could you have to sell so many dresses that you just happened to buy? Are you that good hearted to sell them for the exact same price or LESS? Come on!!
To me, I would think you`re running a business, as to the others that had written. And if you are not the same Nicole from above, change your posting name to not confuse people, Jes.....
To me, I would think you`re running a business, as to the others that had written. And if you are not the same Nicole from above, change your posting name to not confuse people, Jes.....
Posted by Jennifer; updated 06/23/04
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I am the Nicole WHO is NOT selling any gowns but was trying to help out a bride who was looking for a certian gown.
And yes I know how the system works in the bridal indusrty and all the so called online stores who say they cab sell any dress at a discoutned price only to find out they they got the gown by "trans -shipping" - meaning they got the gown from another store. ONLY purchase your gown from an authorized retailer. As the saying goes, if is seems too good to be true, it usually is!!
As far as the other Nicoloe WHO IS selling gowns here, this means your ARE making a profit selling gowns which means you are a buiness!!
And yes I know how the system works in the bridal indusrty and all the so called online stores who say they cab sell any dress at a discoutned price only to find out they they got the gown by "trans -shipping" - meaning they got the gown from another store. ONLY purchase your gown from an authorized retailer. As the saying goes, if is seems too good to be true, it usually is!!
As far as the other Nicoloe WHO IS selling gowns here, this means your ARE making a profit selling gowns which means you are a buiness!!
Posted by Nicki; updated 06/23/04
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I haven`t sold a single gown for a profit. Please check your facts before you accuse anyone. The only prices I`ve listed have been at a LOSS, not a profit. My motives are not your business.
Besides, making a profit by reselling something you purchase does not automatically make you a business. You can`t just make up a definition of "business" and call it good.
Besides, making a profit by reselling something you purchase does not automatically make you a business. You can`t just make up a definition of "business" and call it good.
Posted by Nicole; updated 06/23/04
